we want to have obama care. we want to have universal coverage. tell me how we can do this in context of not making your businesses a nightmare. i wish that was the approach of the president. i remember when i went down two towns with bernanke. one was in south carolina and the other was dilapidated. i asked the mayors, they said we went to business and said, what do you need to make this right? and i wish the obama administration would -- >> indiana and illinois. >> the key thing for business competitivene competitiveness with regard to health care, it's the slowest on record. now, you could -- >> it's the recession. >> it could be. >> the slow growth -- >> that wouldn't explain all of it. it does feel like -- of course we need more data points. >> it sharply outpaces inflation. >> not in the last two years. >> it's come down. >> not if you are somebody who is at a small company who is -- >> business is -- the most important there is the growth in the cost of health care. if this is helping to bend the cost curve -- >> if you talk to small busine